NOTE: this was first posted Sept 23, 2019 www.onlinefellowship.us
REAL REASONS FOR REALISTIC, CLEAR, CHURCH AUTHENTICITY
2 Corinthians 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
(PS Note all of these noted ABOVE involve First Church RELATIONSHIP type real issues..with the LAST VERSE 3…showing the ONLY REAL REASON…False, leader /minister, person, lay witness in the CHURCH thus causes the LOST to remain UNABLE to “perceive and discern the Risen True Authentic Christ” so that they remain UNSAVED..potentially…damned.. ETERNALLY)
CLICK LINK BELOW FOR THE OFFICIAL MINISTRY DEFINITION OF BIBLE REPROVE: One definition of reprove means to “tick people off.” https://onlinefellowship.us/?page_id=12434
THE CLUB USER
When to be Leader, Christ follower UPFRONT and when to simply FORGIVE and move on.
“WE WILL FORETELL CONCLUDE…ACTUALLY based upon God, YOUR fine tuned heart, and what’s actually according to the New Testament…YOU should hear on a one by one, each individual, each experience BASIS…without Back Under the Sin Conscious Law or watered way down overmuch GREASY GRACE pseudo apostolic wuss (ministry mealy mouth, using Self Centric, SELF SERVING SPARING)(easier to NOT have to use confrontation, Mighty Weak) compassion”
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ABOVE: left out one: 7. they would accuse Jesus of having SELF PITY.
Needed NOW..more than (Non materialistic, Non Me First, Non all wise achieving) Eternal Ever:
Http://www.relationshiptheology.org
“WHEN is Up Front God’s Respecting Tough Love , actually “Revealing that someone’s UNFORGIVENESS” “being MEAN” AND “NOT SWEET LIKE INFANT JESUS?”
LIVING IN THE ALL LIGHT OF SWEET BABY JESUS, WIDE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, APOSTLES, SR MINISTERS FULLY IN DENIAL THAT ALL DEPARTING MEMBERS ARE NOT ALWAYS (ONLY) committing the clearly unpardonable “SIN” of being “OFFENDED…”
Plus the basic Shallow Faith of TV affected, many 5 fold office “authorities” who have never attended seminary, sat under very much Bible training and who may simply trade off whatever they hear or view on Media. Passed down tradition plus Trends and Winds of not so good holy , true, untrue leader Doctrine. (clearly TV affected Yeast of the Fad-ucees)
I well know and generally understand this giant fast growing apostate crowd.
YET, I realize also that within the vast droves of Famous Preacher Wannabes, I see a GODLY TRUE SPECIFICALLY CALLED HOLY REMNANT. And I will continually ask the Lord to remake ME into His Godly remnant.
FOR the Time Grows Short. Now the evangelical sort of Pope wants to bond the world together for CLIMATE CHANGE and ongoing CHILD-ADULT (combine all world faiths) Reeducation.
Also, whether this seeming nice kind Pope finishes it, it at least the enormous global network, many accepting channels are actually being PREPARED, with it’s Pre (into GLOBAL) Unity precepts being PRESENTED…thus, the spiritual doctrines might well help to precondition. Pre/Post/Pan Tribulation 666 Submitted as Non Autocratic Submitted Selah
Hey, time is clearly passing, the BEST AND UTMOST CHURCH best get on the Local Move!
HOW can one deal with what is FAITH, UNFORGIVENESS but then willfully allowing fellow Pastor, Peers, Lay, Junior Office Ministers “Born Again Community” TOLERATE any Ye Must Be Born Again local Other to repeatedly ,even ongoing….to USE a fellow human person?..And instead simply remark, “O, let’s forgive him,her, all of them.”
FRANKLY that SOUNDS so ministry precious, dear, fully loving, and ever so SWEEEET BABY Christ Like… while it’s actually PEOPLE BIG PLEASING and that main person who gets PLEASED is US. (Self Serving, Self Protecting)
I really want to address this.
CLEARLY WONDERING...WHEN IS, MIGHT BE, LEADER CORRECTION TO BE REGARDED AS “LEADER ACCUSATION”…. “BEING UNFORGIVING”’
Question: what is 2 Timothy 3:16-17 leader “reprove, correct” in the light of being SWEET BABY JESUS?
Where, When, WHY does Matthew 18:15-17 “up front, one to one Tough Love confrontation matter?
BIG MINISTRY QUESTION: When is one to hold another Born Again Christian Minister personally responsible, accountable?
- MATTHEW 18:15-17 “fully ONE TO ONE, RELATIONSHIP RESPECTFUL, NOT ACCUSING, NOT DEMEANING,NOT BIASED”
” Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
- APOSTOLIC FIRST CHURCH LEADER GOES INTO HIS CREATOR FATHER’S TEMPLE AND WREAKS HOLY (NON VIOLENT, HOLY SPIRIT PURE, SELF MAINTAINED ) LEADER HAVOC…
- …whereas JESUS CHRIST (“UP FRONT rise up, (apostolic John 2:17) “zeal PRO His Dad’s House”)… such is The Mature Adult Christ (non PC) tossing over His Father’s House money changers dulled down tables. (Also,Jesus didn’t CARE what they or anyone SAID or THOUGHT. He gave no concern to “Self Preserve His Leader Ministry Reputation”)
- SEE BENEATH: WHAT THE LEADER PHARISEES MIGHT HAVE REMARKED AFTER JESUS DID HIS HEAVENLY JOB…
- LET’S EACH MENTALLY PICTURE…..Why LOOK!! It’s Our Sweet Baby Jesus …all Growed Up….in a minister elder authority UPFRONT and somewhat SHOCKING …albeit Prophetic Act.
- AND HERE’S THE REASON FOR..it’s all due to their PC ARISTOCRAT AREA PHARISEE’S cliquish, clannish,smug, amoral, spiritually vacuous Power Tripping, Human Ego Centric, Hyper Materialistic stupor, along with it’s feigned legalistic Big Enriching Self Preserving apostolic SYSTEM, aka The Area So Called “Pa God” authority.
- WE CLEARLY NOTE (and now should well train, surely) However Jesus uses NO RELATIONSHIP, ZERO OTHER HUMAN DISRESPECT..as in no foul ministry demeaning vocabulary is used, no weaponry or abuse, violence!! AND with no holding placards outside the Temple, and getting the disciples to scream very loud insulting invectives as the Temple Office Priests walked in.
- GALATIANS 6:1 “Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of MEEKNESS; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
- II TIMOTHY 3:16-7 “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF for CORRECTION, for instruction in righteousness,
- 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” *FULLY NOTE: are any one of us just now “THOROUGHLY FURNISHED?”
- PETER SAYS, “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” I PETER 4:17 ..should this be similar to “LET personal self judgement come to (each one) of the Houses of God?”
- ACTS 5 DAY OF ANANIAS AND HIS SAPPHIRA? Clearly New Testament, as so many TV affected ministers now say NOTHING in the Old Testament Counts..sin conscious. I am not one of them, I am for balance.(I saw “spirit of the Law, not the letter” Use all the OT amazing Bible Precepts,yet not hardened, finger pointed self justified legalism.)
- NOT TO FORGET…THE CREATOR FATHER in the Garden of Eden Genesis 3 (Hold the First 2 accountable, along with quite a STEEP never ending real penalty?
- REVELATION 2:1-7 “the Lost First Love Lampstand Overseer” “You better make big RELATIONSHIP Changes, aka make ME YOUR FIRST TOP PRIORITY or else I can remove YOUR elder lampstand” (Saith the Living Lord)
- REVELATION 2 Church of Thyatira “Why do Little One Woman YOU (head overseer pastor) appease + tolerate the false prophetic (yet a leader authority woman** who…(PS NOTABLY)..evidently had BEEN” ALLOWED to teach” in that First Church…) Clearly Seductive False Teacher, Equipper Jezebel?” (**yet, clearly they picked the WRONG leader woman,(and the Leader Man at the Top, had been too chicken to (apostolic Matthew 18:15-29, Gal 6:1) UP FRONT CONFRONT The intimidating HER to set her down….(note: per this.. yet a few WOMEN may have been installed, as in not been withstood by OT Law, and Apostle Paul’s teaching during the First Church history)
- PS BUT WHAT IF that being tempted to be wussy pastor had simply said, “I forgive the Her” and had rather simply decided to ” let her keep on teaching?” (MAYBE….to avoid making waves, getting himself into a possible argument,male and female Gender Bias accusation,etc)**
- THE LORD would have held HIM (all apostolic males, back then) or (modern) the Head HIM AND/OR HER responsible. Liable for all of the Christian good people being taught FALSE UNTRUTHS.
**LEADER FEMALES ASIDE..FOR THE RECORD…Selah not Hot Button Red Flag Religious Dogma
- Very Possibly(this after much reflective Noble Berean thought)…Apostle Paul’s “leader women must keep silent in the church” reads as follows, “Let YOUR women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” KING JAMES VERSION
- NOTE.. LETTING ALL OF “THEIR” LEADER WOMEN LEARN AT HOME… As Paul was SENT to heathen GENTILES (Peter SENT to the Jews). Thus we note that these human GENTILE basic real persons were generally NOT trained ..(NOT exposed to Back under the Law spiritual, home, family governing Big Order) GENTILES the HUSBANDS, family MEMBERS who were there (GENTILES) were accompanied by WOMEN who were most likely uneducated, unsophisticated 3rd Class Chattel wives, sisters, daughters and relatives, some of whom were very possibly SLAVES, former Temple Of Diana cult practicioners, indulged in Baal temple worship, ETC….had the lot of whom had never been respected or educated. Hence, prone to blurt out, to use over much control.
- SO thinking that APOSTLE PAUL informed them that THESE LEADER MEN, HUSBANDS, RELATIVES had the responsibility** to keep THEIR OWN WOMEN from not calling out and interrupting. Just Submitting a nonlegalistic ministry Selah. ** the Apostle showed honor and respect for head of house hold Chain Of Command, in his fine teaching.
- Yet, in these modern Ye Must Be Born Again Days, we each must honor, equally teach to respect and also ministry value the multiplied sacrificing, all alone SINGLE PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS raising their children’s Children, many of whom are SINGLE.. who are each also HOH . (Head of Home).
NOW..back on The CONFRONT, STAND UP… VERSUS AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVE Topic
MODERN MINISTRY ASSESS THE DILEMMA….
PRESENTLY: Is it a SIN to upfront Tough Love truly Confront? And not be 100% perceived as LOVING SWEEEEET like the Infant Christ? (do we risk losing favor? ( plus potentially leader donations???)
OR do we just claim, “I have to forgive them, for they know not what they do?” Plus Matthew, Christ’s red letters, “If YOU don’t forgive everyone, then I won’t forgive YOU your own sins?”
TODAY: Being Up Front, NOT 100% SWEEEEET like the meek and mild famous Swaddled Infant, can get big twisted by the All Wise and Defensive.
It may be dimly regarded as unworthy of being paid attention to, when it is misunderstood as “ACCUSING” “BEING CONTENTIOUS” and NON POLITICALLY CORRECT.
At WHEN may it be perceived as “forgive it ALL, due to God’s GRACE” yet WHEN it is ministry slick, often cunning GREASE
And this RELATIONSHIP utmost truly effecting USER form of Good Old Human Static Person, Big Ego willfully continues…which I would note as “licentiousness” meaning “The Just Shall Live by Faith… and the Self Justifying live by Avoidant Accuser Blame Shifting.” ( Hence local ministry discovery, repeated Too Up Close of these Ministry Encounters, basically leading up to 2013 time period www.adventuresinblameshifting.wordpress.com
THE LEADER ABOVE: Big Wide Supposedly “Ye Must Be Born Again” DEEP SOUTH…as in the highest per capita percentage… yet
“USING” ANY OTHER =’s slimy antic Christ like”LICENTIOUSNESS”..which actually reveals Human Deep Heart Motives…as it involves (using a) RELATIONSHIP(S) with God deeply valued human real people (meaning RELATIONSHIP abuse, profiting off of,bilking, twisting truth, cunning accusation, using, MINISTRY or not
Hence The Noble Berean…subsequent BYOB Doctrinal Adventurer has recovered most all of it, a powerful lot of this after being God deposited in the deep TV affected west, where “achievement, business and being monetarily FRUITFUL is all prized.
However, this duty is not at all perfect, but I can at least submit a Fully Respectful James 3:17 Abiding “Faith Filled, Ye Must Be Born Again CHURCH” Selah.
AND FOR THE RECORD…MAMA’S, proud PAPPA’s…..PUH-LEASE Please don’t let your children grow up to be adept, fully self involved, unmanly irresponsible, cunning, sly, avoidant ACCUSER BLAME SHIFTERS. Believe me, this writer fully knows the By Product as this nondescript, non would be famous, never heard much from before, MEETS MANY OF THESE TODAY, be it Leadership or Ye Must Be Born Born Again…. at nearly every ministry, day TURN.
TO GIVE…To sow a love offering the the Ministry USA “Ye Must Be Born Again” Front Lines Sr Apostolic Pioneering Ministry (Plus..if they …includes Christian self professed offices… are not truly born again, prepared for Christ’s return… shouldn’t they clearly know that?)
“By their (LOVE, RELATIONSHIP pure ongoing) fruits, one shall know them, us, me, all of big and very small YOU.”
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